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Some like solid braid over hollow core braid but still need to connect a mono top shot. i.e If you need to cast a top shot, braid to mono knots can be a real pain. If you just hate the idea of tying a knot in the middle of your line heres the option.

I take a 10-12 foot piece of jerry brown hollow core line and use it as the connection sleeve. Depending on the application but for example I will use 130 lb class.

First thing you need is the right tools. 1 hollow inline splicing needle for the size of your line. I like buying a needle bigger then needed... if your splicing 130lb mono the 150lb splicing needle works just fine. http://www.charkbait.com/cs/cshL_Daho.htm to get small spools of hollow core and the needles.

First thing I do is put a tapper on the tag end of the mono you are splicing in.

What this does is make the hollow core have better bite on the mono. The hollow core needs to be pulled tight and the faster it can get small the harder it bites.

Now push the mono up into you splicing needle and insert the mono up in the hollow braid about 5-6 feet.

After you get to the 6 foot mark just push the needle out the side of the hollow braid and work the mono back down so its all inside the braid.

Now for the solid braid. I use a store bought yarn needles for this. I take the solid braid thru the yard needle and double the braid back on itself creating a big loop. It should be about 6 feet long.

now insert the solid braid up in the hollow about 6 feet. You can butt the solid braid right up to the mono, but dont worry if there is space between it wont hurt a thing.

Once the yard needle is out take some snips and clip the end of the needle off so you can get the braid out.

For the last step you need to serve the tag ends of the hollow braid. I use a fly bobbin with wax thread but basic over hand knot or nail knots will work. You only need to do about and inch of the hollow tag, just serve right to the end of the hollow braid. If you serve on the hollow and right over onto the mono it will come undone. I used to serve over the whole connection spot 1inch on the hollow and one inch on the mono or solid braid but... when the mono stretches it gets smaller so it needs to pull back some and you cant stop it. What happens is it separates the serve causing it to come unraveled and weak. Just FYI even with out the severe it will not slip out. The serve is just to hold the tag ends of the braid from coming unraveled and help aid in the splice.



Last step is rub a little bit of glue on the serve to aid in it getting frayed up. This is my favorite glue

I use this connection for small windons on casted gear with 50lb solid braid and 60lb mono. the 130lb hollow works fine and i only use a little 3 foot piece of hollow core.
I use this when making a heavy long windon like adding a section of 2 or 300lb mono on my top shot when fishing where abrasions are killer.
this connection also works on bad spots in your line. i.e. you just spooled a new top shot on your reel but the first drop you did a little section got tore up bad. Cut the bad section out and splice it back together with this.

It works and its strong. You might get nervous when you see it come off the reel but after some time of zero failures you will be 100% confident.


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Topic starter Posted : 11/29/2011 10:15 am
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That's an excellent description, thanks very much for posting that. :D I use to use a similar system to connect my flylines to the backing and I never had it fail either. I will be using this connection for my new line when it arrives.


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Posted : 11/29/2011 11:11 am
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do they make hollow core braid around 50lb?


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Posted : 11/29/2011 3:01 pm
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Jerry brown hollow core starts at 40lb I think. They definitely do 60lb.


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Posted : 11/29/2011 3:29 pm
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yea jerry brown does have 40 lb but they warn you that the hole is very small


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Posted : 11/29/2011 3:56 pm
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How much time takes you to make this type of connection on your casting gear CJ?


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Posted : 11/29/2011 7:31 pm
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It just sucks I can't go buy like a 100 yds of 130 jerry brown :(


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Posted : 11/29/2011 8:15 pm
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Call eddie at cabbage key rod and reel.


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Posted : 11/29/2011 8:40 pm
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How much time takes you to make this type of connection on your casting gear CJ?

the more you do it the faster you get. I would say 5 mins.

It just sucks I can't go buy like a 100 yds of 130 jerry brown :(

Tackle store that spool reels usually have some and will sell it but the foot. I get most of my small spools from a local alltackle shop.

do they make hollow core braid around 50lb?

They do but it is a mofo to splice you MUST have the right needle.

I am a PROUD Dad 2night of my new son Steele born at 8:49


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Topic starter Posted : 11/30/2011 1:10 am
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How much time takes you to make this type of connection on your casting gear CJ?

the more you do it the faster you get. I would say 5 mins.

For long range connections the hollow connections seems very appealing. although for casting, personally i would use bimini knot to sebile knot, since i have to change the rig often due to different reasons like sand abrasion, crazy spinner shark jumps etc. I wish that you could come next year in SE Florida between January and May, to have a taste of some spinners/black tips mayhem (thousands of sharks in one school near to shore) - just to realize, why some things - are different here.

I am a PROUD Dad 2night of my new son Steele born at 8:49

Congratulations CJ!!!!!!

How in the world you have time to post online, when other newly dads, they disappear from the face of earth as soon as they newly born child appear in this world - how do you do it?


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Posted : 11/30/2011 8:33 am
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I am a PROUD Dad 2night of my new son Steele born at 8:49

Congratulations!!!


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Posted : 11/30/2011 3:11 pm
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Congrats man and I'm really interested in doin this on my 9/0 but as for the 4/0 I'm just gonna keep the modified Bristol


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Posted : 11/30/2011 3:15 pm
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id do it for 9/0 or bigger but on small rods i think there are easier ways


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Posted : 11/30/2011 3:17 pm
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CJ just a quick question. As for doing a windon leader to hollowcore JB. The loop side on the JB, I see people using the latch needle to make a loop and others using a bimini. Do you know if the bimini is just as strong? and if so then the only benefit of the latchneedle loop would be it is sleeker looking?


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Posted : 01/02/2012 7:58 pm
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CJ just a quick question. As for doing a windon leader to hollowcore JB. The loop side on the JB, I see people using the latch needle to make a loop and others using a bimini. Do you know if the bimini is just as strong? and if so then the only benefit of the latchneedle loop would be it is sleeker looking?

The bimini twist is the strongest known knot, I use it on all my lighter shark set ups


Just an average fisherman.

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Posted : 01/02/2012 8:32 pm
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