[Sticky] Js or Circles

If your going after any kind of big game you should use some kind of stopper about 2 feet up from the hook to prevent this matter.

Exactly and for those who think that wont work I have plenty of these for proof the blocker works very will oh and I still use circles.

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Look at the teeth on that thing. holy shit.

Cj you have any extra rigs with the stopper?

PM sent feel free to post it bro

WOW, feel kinda glad and kinda sad that I started this thread a long time ago. When fishing ray or fish baits with very tough skin it is possible to fish big, heavy baits with one 20/0 circle. Yes, it def. does have to be able to move and there are a # of ways to effect this. Zip ties can be very handy with bulky round head baits and such. I have no doubt that Js can be effective in terms of catching fish. I also think that decision is going to depend, in part, on how conservation minded and aware the angler is. I have fished with a # of guys who use Js and have not gotten to watch one of them hook a fish yet so my experience is limited in that regard. Santosh (Frogfish) was one of them (fished with him twice). Watching the uninterrupted running man is entertaining if nothing else. The question I posted when I started this thread has been answered for me. I am a " circle hook fishing, removing hooks from the corner of the mouth" guy for sure. There can be no doubt that some truly spectacular fish have been caught on J hooks. Those of us who have done our homework know this. But, on the forums, be wary of advice that comes from a guy who you have not seen in a picture with the quantity, type and quality of fish you are looking for........

Chris

WOW, feel kinda glad and kinda sad that I started this thread a long time ago. When fishing ray or fish baits with very tough skin it is possible to fish big, heavy baits with one 20/0 circle. Yes, it def. does have to be able to move and there are a # of ways to effect this. Zip ties can be very handy with bulky round head baits and such. I have no doubt that Js can be effective in terms of catching fish. I also think that decision is going to depend, in part, on how conservation minded and aware the angler is. I have fished with a # of guys who use Js and have not gotten to watch one of them hook a fish yet so my experience is limited in that regard. Santosh (Frogfish) was one of them (fished with him twice). Watching the uninterrupted running man is entertaining if nothing else. The question I posted when I started this thread has been answered for me. I am a " circle hook fishing, removing hooks from the corner of the mouth" guy for sure. There can be no doubt that some truly spectacular fish have been caught on J hooks. Those of us who have done our homework know this. But, on the forums, be wary of advice that comes from a guy who you have not seen in a picture with the quantity, type and quality of fish you are looking for........

Chris

thank you... the ones that actually have reports and do good are the ones to listen to, on the other hand i think that everyone has their own style of fishing that cant be duplicated, like setting hooks, how they rig their baits, etc. for instance i think j hooks are more successful with a long rod. a short broomstick, or a rod that is too whippy or too light of line isnt the ideal rigs for j hooks, when i use light tackle ill use a circle because i know doing the running man or trying to set the j will pop the line. my style , that has increased my hookup ratio tremendously is an eight to ten foot rod and heavy mono, and running down the beach whipping the long rod up a few times and turning around while its on and setting it normally to ensure hook penetration. just sayiing everyone has their own style once theyve been doing it for a few years theres no way to tell someone the right or wrong way of doing it.

Circle hooks all the way! Hell I even take the treble hook off spoons and replace with circle hooks. Why would I do that though..since nearly everything I catch on a spoon ends up dead as bait anyways..what do I care if I deep hook it and kill it? Well my answer would be, the damned circle hooks just bleepin' work. To me, a J hook is totally worthless these days, unless jigs count?

Circle hooks can and do catch the biggest sharks in the world. look at shark men

J hooks kill sharks.

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Circle hooks can and do catch the biggest sharks in the world. look at shark men

J hooks kill sharks.

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ignorant ????

Let me fix it for you Hoss... J hooks kill fish

calling facts ignorant is the only thing thats Lacking knowledge.

Can you please swallow a 12/0 J hooked to my line for me as I lock down my drag turning you inside out

and let me fix that statement for you big guy, fishermen kill sharks. Poor fighting style, general recklessness, and just events beyond control after hooking fish. I've seen just as many dead fish posted online from circles as from Js.

Learn how to fish, proper rig mechanics, and what works where. I've yet to see a gut hooked fish from fishing Js.

And you'll never find me putting a silly piece of pvc on my line...ever.

I've had alot of 4-5-5+ Sharks hit my Bait when livelining PINFISH for Snook, etc, &#4Circle Hooks, & know it's just dumb luck they haven't bitten thru & got away
Ihaven't LANDED any Big Sharks over 6 when fishing like this for snook yet, so I won't voice an opinion on it but
Those smaller Sharks were all hooked right in the corner of the mouth,EVERY ONE , by yanking immediately ,when they hit, & then I landed &took out the hook & released every one to grow big & terrorize the local fish Populations!
It's just that they got hooked right in the corner of thier mouths & were under 5-1/2" that kept them from biting the line off

I was looking at the jobu 12/0 hooks the other day. didnt see what they were mad out of. Anyone have experience with these?

there a damn good hook man, but at 10 dollars a pop its a bit to mutch i think.
im not sure what they are made out of but they are extremely strong.

I was looking at the jobu 12/0 hooks the other day. didnt see what they were mad out of. Anyone have experience with these?

I have one that a friend gave me, that thing is awesome. That thing is crazy STRONG. Its some type of high carbon steel, its really hard. I use the 8/0s and 9/0s for tarpon as do alot of my buddies. Never heard of one bending or breaking. Sharp as hell outta the box too. The smaller ones I have you have to kinda take care of them or they'll rust. But just like any $$$ tackle proper care and they'll last for you. I was thinking about "Plasti-dipping" mine to protect it a bit and cut down on metal signature.

interesting. whats plasti dipping? I might make the investment for ultra heavy gear. my present set up has the hook on 130lb wire leader (crimped and twisted about 18-24 inches worth depending on what i'm targeting) attatched to however many feet of shark I'm after +4 of 250lb mono leader attached to 80lb braid mainline. I think that will handle most sharks I could catch off the beach so I'm really just experimenting with hook types/sizes. my latest fiasco was a gamakatsu 15/0 circle. bit small for bigger sharks but it does decent work on blacktips and smaller bulls.

Plasti-dip is a product I found at Lowes and Harbor freight. Its like liquid rubber in a can . Theres a kind that you dip your subject into and a spray on type. Its pretty cool stuff. It'll likely peel off a hook when you catch a fish but Id just dip it again when I get home. I tried the spray kind on my single strand wire but it didnt really coat it very well and peeled off. I used the spray kind on the inner wheel wells and fender flares on my Jeep, its pretty cool stuff. Just havent picked up more to coat some hooks just to see what happens. I usually electrical tape my hooks but I think a rubberizing spray will be quicker and easier. Just havent tried it yet.

I mean its not rocket since, look at all the big million dollar tournaments and now even big shark tournaments are going all circle. Its a proven fact the J hook mortality rates a extremely high over circles.

Just my opinion but 25 different kinds of sharks in FL alone are protected, if everybody is so against killing sharks J hooks should be the first thing you get rid of.

Sorry for the rant or if offend you, fish those J's if you desire, there no one that can tell you not to YET I can almost bet your going to see a J hook restriction on all shark fishing real soon.

Sorry CJ but those tournaments are all from boats which means that they can just run the shark down and they probably dont put any more than 30lbs of pressure on a fish...but from shore we are putting locked drag on fish...why do you think so many sharkers use 200lbs test rather than traditional 80lbs test or 130lbs test....saying J hooks kill fish is like all the liberals on capital hill saying that guns kill people...dont blame the equipment blame the person manipulating it...and yes you will get less gut hooks with circle hooks because some sharks swallow the bait quick but if i was going after giant hammers or tigers im using J hooks....and im gonna say that J hooks take more skill to use properly than circle hooks...

ive shark fished all year and shark fished pretty much half a year or less with the circles and another good half year with js and here are some results.

a gut hooked sandbarshark my first shark after switching to circles. and ive missed at least 10 sharks and i do put the hook in right and set them right.

now everyone knows that john uses circle hooks and loves them and even he says they guthook a lot.

the shape of the southern tuna hooks always get the corner of the mouth for the sharks ive caught on them

a good example of the corner of the mouth. and almost every jewfish that weve caught have been guthooked but thats just because they inhale everything and it didnt matter if it was a circle or a j

I have tried circle hooks on catfish and a little in saltwater, now to be completely honest I didn't know how to use them when I did, but when you have fish that only hit a bait once like surf perch. They just don't work. I use octopus hooks exclusively for catfish, sharks and rays and have only had 4-5 gut hooked from all the fish I have caught. I think it is just a matter of how you fish, when fishing circles you can be lazier. You can walk slowly to your rod as line is peeling off because you have to wait anyways. But when I fish as soon as line starts coming off I am running for the rod and don't hesitat to hook it.

If someone showed me how to get the same hookup ratio with circles I would gladly switch.

Their is no denying that circle hooks and Js kill fish, but it is proven that circles lower the rate of gut hooked fish.