A couple days ago I went to speak to one of my fishing mentors, Joe Gonzalez http://captainjoegonzalez.com (arguably the best bonefish guide in Miami, as he has tagged over 1,000 bonefish for us at University of Miami's Bonefish and Tarpon Research Center), about developing my bullbuster brand name. Our conversation shifted to a 30lb permit that he put a customer onto on fly. After seeing the huge fish I imediatley asked him how long the fight time was, figuring it would be exponentially longer with fly tackle. This is when I learned something new as to why even though it may be harder to hook a fish on fly it may be easier to fight one. Joe grabbed a spinning rod from his collection and asked me to hold the monofilament at my side. He asked me to guess which position of the rod put the most power on the fish. I guessed the same as most people probably will.
Here are the three positions:
Which one do you think puts the most pressure on the fish? If you guessed like me you guessed the top and were incorrect.
From top to bottom the rods increase in the pressure you put on the fish. By using the position in the bottom you end up using the rod to its greatest potential. When a fish is running and you are in this position, the fish feels the full power of your rod. This is the reason that fly rods can put so much pressure on the fish. Fishing is a lot about technique and if you take the time to learn little things from those around you, you can only get better. Today I tried this on a 30-40 lb tarpon on 15lb spinning tackle from shore. Worked beautifully, unfortunatley I dont have a picture because the tarpon broke the leader while we were trying to measure it and tag it.
Try this at home if you dont believe it... hold the line at your side.. and have someone pull in those three positions... trust me you will feel the difference.
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shadows in the background make these photos ... epic! lol
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Good topic ;gave it a sticky.Thanks Colby.
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colby another good way is how we did in boyton
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Colby, great info. Thx for the post
colby another good way is how we did in boyton
I have to ask since you brought it up. How did you do it in Boynton?
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Interesting, would line test rating require you to adjust your postition?
Looking forward to my bullbuster line, nice post.
Colby, great info. Thx for the post
colby another good way is how we did in boyton
I have to ask since you brought it up. How did you do it in Boynton?
i was just kidding all i did was lock the drag and pull for my life we kayak the bait so far we had like 40 yards of line left on the 14/0 then colby told me when u hook a fish ur going to loose it then i said i have 200lbs test ill stop him and guess wat we stoped him with the couching of colby and eddie we got it to stop after he draged me on the sand for about 10 feet
DIRTY SOUTH SHARK HUNTERS
2012 1st place BLACKTIP CHALLENGE
2011 NO LIMIT TOURNAMENT CHAMPION 2nd year in a row
2010 BHC biggest hammerhead shark on 80 lb test
2010 NO LIMIT TOURNAMENT CHAMPION
2010 BHC 3rd and 5th place biggest shark
2010 april sharker of the month
2009-2010 Rookie of the year
Strange..
Its easier to hold the rod when its lower, but the line has more give if it doesnt go through the guides at a sharper angle. Like a pulley....a pulley works well if the line is pulled greater than an angle more than 45 degrees.
For example; if you tie a 100ft rope around a Great Dane and let him take off running, he's going to pull pretty hard and you'll have a tough time hanging on to the end. But if that dog turns a corner, and the rope starts rubbing a corner of a building, that dog will have problems keeping the same speed and wear out quicker.
The drag in a spool is all about friction. Same with the line, if it goes through the guides at a sharp angle, it creates more friction, which means its more difficult for a fish to run.
I agree with friction theory and also the rod acts like a spring and i prefer a rod that bends rather then the old school 6 ft broomsticks that did not bend.Also if you are using mono it acts like a spring as it stretches which helps you turn the fish gradually as the stretch maximizes when you tighten your drag .
Just remember big fish big pull ,little fish little pull-match your gear to the size fish you are targetting then fish your ass off and it will happen.
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Its easier to hold because the rods doing more of the work for you. Try doing those three positions with a scale. From the top to bottom.. You have the potential to double your drag.
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I was going to post a new topic, but it relates to this one. When using the longer 9 and 10 foot rods on the beach, and sticking the butt into the sand and sitting down with a shouler harness, has any body tried the bent butt? It seems to me that a bent butt would maintain a better line/rod angle. I have only used short stand up rods using a bucket harness, so I have no experience with the long rods, but, in the process of building a 10ft. to try the sit down technique. So what say you?
Thanks,
Sarge
Strange..
The drag in a spool is all about friction. Same with the line, if it goes through the guides at a sharp angle, it creates more friction, which means its more difficult for a fish to run.
which would create more drag-- eyes or rollers--or no difference
sonny
Sonny,
If everything else is equal, and the rollers are functioning properly, the rollers should be smoother. Smoother = less drag.
Sarge
Sorry but I don't believe that the farther you place the rod forward the heavier the drag. Ive done this before and when you apply extreme bend to a rod in the way of the tuna fisherman the drag can increase by as much as 20%. Its simple math actually, the more force applied to the guides the more resistance, the higher resistance means the more pressure you are putting on the fish, therefore increasing the drag pressure. Not to meantion ive tested this myself with a big old scale.