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(@sand-tiger)
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I JUST GOT OF THE PHONE WITH FWC . I WAS ASKING THEM IF I CAN HARVEST ANY SHARK'S IN FEDERAL WATERS THEY TOLD ME YES THAT I CAN .. I ASKED THEM IF I WAS TO HOOK A MONSTER HAMMER OR TIGER AND I THINK THAT'S A WORLD RECORD WHAT CAN I DO TO TAKE IT BACK TO THE DOCK BECAUSE I HAVE TO GO TRU STATE WATER .. I WAS TOLD BY THE FWC THAT THE ONLY THING IS THAT I CAN NOT STOP IN STATE WATER'S I HAVE TO KEEP DRIVING TO THE DOCK ... SO I ASKED. WHAT DO I SHOW HOW CAN I PROOF THAT I WAS IN FED WATERS AN NOT IN STATE WATER'S ... FWC TOLD ME THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW. HE TOLD ME IF AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE DOCK AND A FWC OFFICER COME'S UP TO YOU HE IS GOING TO ASK YOU WERE DID YOU CATCH THAT SHARK OR FISH AT .. ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS THAT I WAS FISHING 3 MILES EAST OF FOWEY ROCKS OR SOME THING LIKE THAT . YA KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT .. THE FWC TOLD ME THE ONLY WAY FOR THEM TO FINE YOU OR TAKE YOU TO JAIL FOR HAVING A HAMMER OR TIGER SHARK... THEY HAVE TO CATCH YOU FISHING IN STATE WATER'S ... THERE IS ONE THING YOU NEED TO GET TO FISH IN FED WATER'S AND THAT'S A PERMIT IT'S ONLY $20.00$ FOR THE YEAR ... FWC TOLD ME THAT THE BAND IS NOT THAT BAD BUT I TOLD THE FWC THAT ALL THE COMMERCIAL FISHERMEN THAT ARE KILLING SHARK'S ARE IN FED WATER'S SO Y CLOSE THE STATE WATER'S .. HE TOLD ME THAT THE COMMISSION WAS THE ONE THAT CLOSE THE STATE WATER'S AND THAT SAME ? WAS ASK IN ALL THE MEETING ......WHAT AM TRY TO SAY TO ALL OF YA IS IF YOU WANT TO GO LOOKING FOR THAT WORLD RECORD YOU CAN ..... I KNOW SOME PPL ARE GOING TO TELL ME THAT Y AM I RIGHTING THIS . AM NOT TELLING YOU TO GO KILL ANY SHARK'S ALL AM TRYING TO SAY TO ALL OF YA IS THAT FOR US THAT GOT BOATS YOU CAN STILL FISH FOR HAMMER AND TIGER SHARKS ... ITS NOT THE BAD ... https://hmspermits.noaa.gov/default.asp THE # IS 301-713-2147

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Topic starter Posted : 12/13/2011 2:48 pm
 MoJo
(@mojo)
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#1 DO AWAY WITH THE CAPS-LOCK.

#2 NO need to double post in different sections.

#3 HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY!

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Posted : 12/13/2011 3:59 pm
(@sand-tiger)
Reputable Member

OK HOLD ON.... FIRST OF ALL ..I DON'T KNOW YOU AND I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW ME TO BE TELLING ME HOW TO PUT UP MY POST IT SEEM'S LIKE YOU GOT SOME THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT I PUT UP ... IF I WANT TO WRIGHT IN CAP ...SO WHAT ... LOOK I DON'T TELL NO ONE ON HERE WHAT TO SAY OR HOW TO SAY IT ... AT TIME'S I MAY FU@# UP WHIT SOME OF MY POST BECAUSE AM CRAZY LIKE THAT BUT THAT'S JUST ME .. I THINK YOU SHOULD SIT BACK AND THINK ON HOW TO WRIGHT AND TALK TO PPL BE FOR YOU REPLY TO SOME ONE ..... LOOK .. IT'S NOTING PERSONA ... BUT LIKE I TOLD YOU NEXT TIME YOU GOING TO REPLY TO A POST THINK BE FOR YOU REPLY ... MERRY CHRISMES TO YOU TO...

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Topic starter Posted : 12/13/2011 6:18 pm
 MoJo
(@mojo)
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OK HOLD ON.... FIRST OF ALL ..I DON'T KNOW YOU AND I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW ME TO BE TELLING ME HOW TO PUT UP MY POST IT SEEM'S LIKE YOU GOT SOME THING TO SAY ABOUT WHAT I PUT UP ... IF I WANT TO WRIGHT IN CAP ...SO WHAT ... LOOK I DON'T TELL NO ONE ON HERE WHAT TO SAY OR HOW TO SAY IT ... AT TIME'S I MAY FU@# UP WHIT SOME OF MY POST BECAUSE AM CRAZY LIKE THAT BUT THAT'S JUST ME .. I THINK YOU SHOULD SIT BACK AND THINK ON HOW TO WRIGHT AND TALK TO PPL BE FOR YOU REPLY TO SOME ONE ..... LOOK I KNOW AM GOING TO GET A PHONE CALL SOON ... BUT LIKE I TOLD YOU NEXT TIME YOU GOING TO REPLY TO A POST THINK BE FOR YOU REPLY ... MERRY CHRISMES TO YOU TO...

LoL. Thank god i am tanked right now. I will just be a Duck tonight and let you figure it out on your own.

No problem i understand.

BTW: Happy Holidays. :roll: :? :roll:

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Posted : 12/13/2011 6:26 pm
(@sand-tiger)
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: THEN BE A DUCK :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ... GOOD FOR YOU ... I NOW WHO YOU ARE KNOW BUT LIKE I TOLD YOU DONT TELL ME HOW TO WRIGHT MY POST...

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Topic starter Posted : 12/13/2011 6:36 pm
william
(@william)
Member Admin

Now now boys lets take it easy and act humane and lets be constructive in our approach correcting someone.....no need for profanity or insults either.

This sport has been under attack and so what we need to do is work together to create awareness and respect for our sport and those in it.Can you two hold hands at the Awards party?? :lol: I promise I'll save the best part of the pig for ya.

SOUTH FLORIDA SHARK CLUB -President SFSC-Founding Member est 1983 SFSC-Website Administrator BIG HAMMER SHARK TOURNAMENT -Founder Rene Memorial Sharkathon -Founder NMFS Shark Tagger

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Posted : 12/13/2011 7:11 pm
(@sand-tiger)
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Topic starter Posted : 12/13/2011 7:19 pm
(@boghy)
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There is something else that wasn't mentioned here: You can actually catch a hammerhead in state waters, drag it alive in federal waters, kill it, then do everything else that was already mentioned.
Catching a hammerhead it is not illegal in state waters, harvesting the fish, which includes killing is illegal as of 01-02-2012. So, to make it crystal clear, the killing process is only legal in federal waters, and illegal in state waters but catching is legal in both state waters and federal.
What FWC doesn't tell you is, when they ask you "Where you catch that hammerhead" they mean by that "Catching AND killing aka harvesting". And here you go - now you know the loophole.
Example: You're on the boat, 200yds from shore, hook the monster, apply light pressure to let it run in federal waters, apply heavy drag, bring it to the boat, kill it, tale tie the fish, then do everything else mentioned above.

There is no way for the little guy that doesn't have a boat NOT TO BE MAD on how unfair this crappy new law is. It's like the lawmakers would tell you: "Hey - wanna fish? Go and buy a boat and fish offshore, and let the beach for 'Snow birds!' ". Palm Beach County is even more sneaky - they have a law through which you're in illegality if you're staying on an public beach after 12:00am. The law bans occupy, sleeping or lodging in open between 12:00AM and 5:00AM, which gives to law enforce agencies like sheriff and city police the power to arrest you if you don't comply. In reality they only arrest you if you're hard head with them and do not follow to go away when they tell you. We got kicked from public beaches few times, especially after turtle people on they ATV's don't feel comfortable to drive around the already deployed lines - since they like being on the hard sand near to water.
So, how you fish in Palm Beach county over night? You actually need to get an approval for that, otherwise don't be surprised if you'll be kicked off or worse arrested - by just being on the beach between 12:00AM and 05:00AM.
I have no idea how to get this authorization, but i had the chance to actually read this "sneaky" law.

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Posted : 12/13/2011 11:22 pm
william
(@william)
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So there you go our suspicions ARE CORRECT.This new Ban that goes into effect 1/1/2012 which allows a TIGER and a HAMMERHEAD shark to be harvested(killed) from federal waters (which if i'm not mistaken is beyond 3 miles out away from the coast)was intentionally made to affect the people near shore (US).Does not seem fair does it??So the commercial guys can continue to set there long lines out beyond state waters and KILL both Hammerheads and Tiger sharks........IS THAT THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF CRAP OR WHAT??????There some some sneaky shit taking place and we need to get to the bottom of it and EXPOSE IT ON A LARGE PLATFORM.

SOUTH FLORIDA SHARK CLUB -President SFSC-Founding Member est 1983 SFSC-Website Administrator BIG HAMMER SHARK TOURNAMENT -Founder Rene Memorial Sharkathon -Founder NMFS Shark Tagger

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Posted : 12/14/2011 8:03 am
(@boghy)
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...and this is how they'll gonna close that loophole for federal waters in near future:
http://ecowatch.org/2011/federal-protec ... ad-sharks/

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Posted : 12/14/2011 8:32 am
(@boghy)
New Member

So there you go our suspicions ARE CORRECT.This new Ban that goes into effect 1/1/2012 which allows a TIGER and a HAMMERHEAD shark to be harvested(killed) from federal waters (which if i'm not mistaken is beyond 3 miles out away from the coast)was intentionally made to affect the people near shore (US).Does not seem fair does it??So the commercial guys can continue to set there long lines out beyond state waters and KILL both Hammerheads and Tiger sharks........IS THAT THE BIGGEST BUNCH OF CRAP OR WHAT??????There some some sneaky shit taking place and we need to get to the bottom of it and EXPOSE IT ON A LARGE PLATFORM.

Here is the article about that loophole that i mention: http://miami.cbslocal.com/2011/11/17/fl ... ad-sharks/ where they say as well that "The panel also prohibited the possession, sale and exchange of those sharks harvested from state waters. They can still be caught and released in Florida waters and taken in federal waters." They didn't wrote in that article a phrase like "They can still be caught and released in Florida waters and taken in federal waters where killing aka harvesting is allowed" since that would sound very brutal, but you don't have to be a lawyer to know that state laws don't apply in federal waters which again comes down to - harvesting there is an open business for hammerheads and tigers.

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Posted : 12/14/2011 8:38 am
(@e-polk)
Prominent Member

I think it's an exelent post. Every one needs to know about there rights as a common man especially when those rights are un fairly taken. You want to piss and moan at some one do it on face funk. IGFA is behind times and as a landbased sharker we should set our goals at the ILSFA who has evolved with the changing times. Records ant important. We fish cause that is what we dream of, catching fish and going fishing is the important thing.

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Posted : 12/14/2011 10:10 am
 Rong
(@rong)
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Wel in Ft-Pierce the beaches are closed at sunset and if you are on the beach after that you are trespassing and they can arrest you. They usally don't they just tell you to leave and if you give them a hard time you get to go to the crow bar hotel.
But you can go to a bar until 2:00 am in the morning. Why don't they close the bars at sunset and leave the beaches open so you can go there with your friends and family.

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Posted : 12/14/2011 11:44 am
(@sand-tiger)
Reputable Member

for them to close fed waters they have to close all fed water around the us .. that's what the fwc told me it wont be that easy they say ....

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Topic starter Posted : 12/14/2011 1:46 pm
(@sand-tiger)
Reputable Member

thank's e polk.... i been calling every one that i can to see what we can do ..... the fwc is getting tired of me calling and asking question i call every day .........

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Topic starter Posted : 12/14/2011 1:52 pm
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