gator glass

if ur using one of those blanks id think u were fishing bridges. and the spiral wrapped rod would completely defeat the purpose of using a bridge rod because ur line would be rubbing

It can be achieved but the torquing pressure isn't recommended for hollow blanks if you think about how rod blanks are made and meant to be bent. For it to be done properly you would need guides specifically designed for transitions... winthrop for example has created guide sets for acid/spiral wrapped rods. As far as the bridges or piers go... the transition can be made higher up but the lower it is made the better the rod's action is. From experience I know that sometimes you can't control where a shark wants to drag your rod around and it would be harder to put rubber tube material to protect the blank.

There are two advantages of spiral wrapped rods but I have not fished them enough to know for sure... the first is reduced line twisting from casting and the second is stability of the reel as you hold the rod. It's an interesting concept but I don't see too much of an advantage for an experienced angler.

hello,my fellow nut's,
Every once in a while there comes an inprovement ?,not'.this concept is not ment for anything over fly-fishing,if it is ment to better cast the put spinning guide's on the rod,if it is better on rod bendding wrap the guides around the blank 2 -3 times,if it is less strees on the line put roller's on it.but if you want peaple to say ooooooooh ahhhhhhh,by no mean's go right ahead.remenber the big 20/0 penn,after you have melted the drag ,the other 4 miles off line are worthless,there are reason's why some succeed on other's fail.if you understand what battle scarr's mean you got the drift,good luck with the mantle piece.

i built this rod a while back. you have 1 guide straight up aligned with the reelseat then u twist 45 degres and add another guide, then another 45, then another 45 and that will give you the 180 degree turn. they have the guides like this because sometimes under heavy loads the rod tends to want to twist around like a spin rod. the spiral guide action allows most or the load to be turned to a spin setup basically evening out the loads and allowing less twisting.

I knew someone has it done what kinda blank did u use and how do u like the setup. I heard around that u can tell a diff and u dont feel the reel trying to around the rod or rod twist. How many guides did u use in total

that rod was done for another member from this site. it was a walmart rod which was a hollow. the rod was 8ft 30-50lb with 9 snake guides. you can tell a difference and feel the difference in the for sure.

The basic idea of spiral wrap, is to have the line beneath the blank as soon as the blank reaches less then 1inch bend at full load. Now, this is not always the case, especially when the length of the blank is short, like say, 5-6ft long. 0 90 180 guides layouts is the ideal setup for a short, fast transition. The revolver type spiral wrap like 0 45 90 135 180 is meant for long rods where casting is expected. So, even though the spiral wrap gives the fisherman the extra power and endurance, by eliminating the torque & fatigue in long shark fishing fights, i would personally not recommend using it for 10ft 80-130 gator since there is not tip guide to satisfy the width tube of that blank where the line runs in spinning type mode. Unless, you can find a custom made, tip, NOT ROLLER, that can satisfy that diameter, i'll say go for it, otherwise, just stick with the classical design.
I have spiral rods, and slowly, i'll switch all of them to spiral, but, always i have to be careful to find the right tip for that blank.
Hollow blanks, has no problem whatsoever supporting high loads in spiral wrap setups. Yet, i haven't seen a blank cracked along way, because of a spiral wrap layout.
Also, spiral wrap setup is highly encouraged, where the fisherman will change the reel, for say, size 50w to 130. Because its a spiral wrap, the line coming from a size 130 reel, will have no problem with the first guide, where steep outside angles in line exists, in conventional layout. The line will run straight all the way through the 0 degree to the 90 degree transitional guide, where the line will turn towards the 180 degree guide, in a simple acid wrap setup. In other words, the simple acid wrap is the best fit for regular shark-fisherman to accommodate smaller or larger reels, on same rod. I haven't noticed any significant differences in casting between a regular conventional layout, and a simple acid wrap layout, although - when hooked, its whole new ballgame.

The spirel guide consept should work for you if your looking for stabilizing the rod during the fight. leanth of rod dosent really make a diffrence just make sure that your make the transithion fast (the transition makes or breaks the action of the rod). I have personaly made a few of these rods for other people and have had the opertuity to handle one during a fight. They Do Work!! just guffy as hell

Not to pic at anyone but for a big rod like the 80-130, The pac bay elimenators (rollers) would be the way to go. They have worked very well on rods that i have made in the past (mostly 8ft rods).

Thous rollers can't be used in acid wrap layout, only conventional. Also, from what i've seen so far, people care less the way how the rod looks like as soon as they feel the advantage when they fight a fish. The power of the conventional setup, yet, the feel of a spinning rod, is hard to ignore, no matter how the rod seem to look like in the beginning.

the rollers mentioned wont work on a acid wrapped rod but the Neptune rollers i believe they are called made by American tackle are designed just for acid wrapped roller rods.

Yes, they are, although again, the biggest tip in that series of rollers gets useless, since the tube size for the tip is not big enough to satisfy the blank. Back to square one. As always, is not about the guides, its always about the tip.

Really let me ask a question have you ever walked into x-generation ???? If you haven't you should!!! Ask to see the pictures and there you will find a man holding a 8' green,gold, and black "acid" raped rod next to a decent bull that he just caught and this was 6 years ago. One of the first spiral rods that i Have personally built with PAC BAY ELIMINATOR ROLLERS. See for your self. Can be done, has been done, and prof that they work!!

IF the exchange is done correctly just about any guides will work. Just have to think outside the box!

Are we still talking about 10' gator blank, or another blank 8' long? I'm confused now.